| Agenda | ------ | | 1. Roll call Norman Walsh Dennis Evans Michael Sabrio Michael Smith Sabine Ocker We have quorum, meeting called to order by the chair. | 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting Accepted. | 3. Review of the agenda No changes requested. | 4. Review of open action items | | a. Norm to fix RFE database Norm suggests: let's move it to SourceForge; that's item 5 on today's agenda. Continued until item 5 in this agenda. | b. Norm to raise on list: EBNF Completed. Proposed: we've made it an "official" module by providing explicit hooks for it. Accepted. Action: Norm to clarify this in the web pages. | c. Norm to raise on list: newsgroup element or class on systemitem Completed[a]. No one suggested that <systemitem class="newsgroup"> was too odious. Proposed: let's do that and revisit if someone objects. Accepted. | d. Norm to ask for more detail on RFE 136 (co in userinput) Completed (in private email). The real issue is <screen><prompt>#</prompt> <userinput>foo <co id="foo"> \ bar <co id="bar"> \ baz <co id="baz"></userinput></screen> What we'd really like is <co> as an inclusion on <screen> but we can't have that. There is a question of what elements would be changed (prompt, userinput, computeroutput, anything else?) Michael Sabrio notes that <computeroutput>a</computeroutput><co id='x'/><computeroutput>b</computeroutput> would be a workaround for some cases. Norm observes that you couldn't then point to the whole thing with an IDREF. Dennis expressed concern that there's lots of stuff in <screen> that could be effected. This looks like a slippery slope. Action: Norm to write a concrete proposal. | e. Dennis to investigate problems caused by removing OLink Completed. Removing OLink would cause a lot of pain. | f. Michael (Sabrio) to investigate problems caused by removing OLink Completed. There is some use of OLink, but conversion would not be painful. | g. Norm to develop a concrete proposal for linking in 5.0 Continued. XPointer/XLink aren't Recommendations yet. | h. Norm to make a concrete proposal for extending textobject to insert | external files Completed[b]. | i. Norm to make a concrete proposal for coref Completed[c]. | 5. Report on the SourceForge DocBook Project[2] (moving the RFE database | to SourceForge) Proposed: fix RFE database by moving it to SourceForge tracker. Accepted. Action: Norm will update the tracker with all outstanding RFEs and move the RFE history to a static page so that it is not lost. | 6. Metadata issues | - The Open Source Metadata Framework[3] | - Dublin core[4] | - Metadata for elements at the block level | - Names and addresses/the content model of author Norm: This is a big issue. Michael Sabrio: A f2f might be the way to go for this. Norm: There's an Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Conference[d] Michael Smith: There are OMF[e] and ScrollKeeper[f] mailing lists. Michael Sabrio: Wouldn't it make sense to have a single wrapper for "all block elements" Norm: That may be the way to go. We have 'N' flavors of *Info element now because it was imagined that organizations might want to constrain their content models differently. Action: Michael Sabrio will investigate specifically what elements his group would like to put metadata on. Norm mused that one rule for deciding what elements get metadata could be: "all elements with element content". (Elements with mixed content can't practically have metdata by way of a containing *info wrapper because of the way XML restricts mixed content models.) Action: Norm to propose new name and address stuff. With time running out, the chair interrupts the agenda. Proposed: we shall begin to meet monthly by teleconference at 01:00p EDT (10:00a PDT, 17:00GMT, 18:00BST, 19:00CEST, 02:00JST+) on Tuesdays. Accepted. Proposed: we continue this agenda at an irregular meeting at 01:00p EDT (10:00a PDT, 17:00GMT, 18:00BST, 19:00CEST, 02:00JST+) on Tuesday, 22 May 2001. Accepted. Meeting adjourned. | 7. Adapting DocBook for more topic-oriented manuals | | 8. Addition of section.class parameter entity [5] | | 9. Expand the content model of filename (and perhaps some related elements) | to be broader than smallcptr.char.mix. [6][7] | | 10. Content model issues relating to lists and procedures.[8][9] | | 11. Any other business | | Upcoming Meetings | ----------------- | 27 Jul 2001: Teleconference | 28 Sep 2001: Teleconference | 14 Dec 2001: Face-to-face colocated with XML/MT 2001 (Orlando, FL) | | [1] http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/meetings/min20010223.html | [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook/ | [3] http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/ | [4] http://dublincore.org/ | [5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00005.html | [6] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00006.html | [7] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200101/msg00059.html | [8] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200103/msg00001.html | [9] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200104/msg00016.html